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You do that.

Ok, I will.

So, you are honestly saying that you would stop being Gay if God was real? Haha well finally the question has been answered! People choose to be Gay.

No, I would agree that being gay is wrong if you had any sort of evidence for a god existing.

Also being gay is not a choice. If it were a choice, that means anyone could choose to be attracted to their same gender, which would mean that literally everyone is bisexual, which just is not the case.
And even if it were a choice, how would that make it any less legitimate?

jack, are you actually gay?  it doesn't bother me, i'm just wondering.

Yeah, I said it all the way back on pg 1

[STOMP THE FUCKING YARD]

Soooo, you single, too?

No, I would agree that being gay is wrong if you had any sort of evidence for a god existing.

Also being gay is not a choice. If it were a choice, that means anyone could choose to be attracted to their same gender, which would mean that literally everyone is bisexual, which just is not the case.
And even if it were a choice, how would that make it any less legitimate?

That is odd reasoning... You are basically saying to all those people that believe in God that you have actually chosen to be Gay. I could care less really, but I find it funny that you would say that after throwing a fit about being born that way.

Haha Kyle aren't we spoken for

Oh... And Alex

If religion didn't exist, we wouldn't have had the crusades, the Salem witch trials, terrorism, the war in Iraq, Hitler's reign, there's many more things we could have saved ourselves from but really it would take me a long time to list them all.

You are trying to make a connection between my belief in God and Hitler's reign? Whenever you mention religion being evil it is from these examples that you derive your argument - of which I have no connection. I actually laughed when I found this quote.

Most religions are evil.

Of the thousands practiced today, I would love to see you legitmately prove even 10% of them 'evil'.

I would classify any religion that has had caused war as "evil". Would you really like me to bother proving that most religions fall into that category? It's pretty obvious.

You are trying to make a connection between my belief in God and Hitler's reign? Whenever you mention religion being evil it is from these examples that you derive your argument - of which I have no connection. I actually laughed when I found this quote.

Wilkes, how on Earth are you coming to that conclusion? Did you read the quote at all? I said nothing about your religion, nor did I try to make any connection between your (or anyone's) beliefs and the things I listed. I would laugh at what you wrote but I find it so bizarre that you could come to such a conclusion.

If I was going to attack anyone's personal beliefs, as you claim, you would really know about it. Mormonism takes all of 5 minutes to expose as the fraudulent and absurd religion it is.

[If it were a choice]

you have actually chosen to be Gay.

If it were a choice

You obviously didn't read my post, since I said more than once that it is not a choice. When I say "if it were" I mean "if it were (which it isn't, but let's say I accept your premise for the sake of argument)".

Would you classify Australia and America as Evil countries then? What about England? They have all been to war. When was the last time a born again church or the 7th day adventists went to war? Are they Evil? Hell no.

You seriously don't get it? What you continually choose to misunderstand, is a concept so simple.. Haha I suppose I should just give up on you. But anyway, dude you keep trying to say that all Christians and their beliefs and churches are all evil right? You are more than happy to throw that assumption around. But what makes a United church members practices evil? And why is it so evil that someone chooses to believe in God and follow good, law abiding principles?

The very clear point that I am trying to make is that you are using examples of hitler's reign, to prove that all religion is evil. Well I hate to upset you but just because Hitler killed Jews, does not make the Assemblies of god evil.

I know you understand what I'm saying, but you keep going because:

I like to argue.

@ Jack

No, I would agree that being gay is wrong if you had any sort of evidence for a god existing.

How did I read that wrong? You said if there were evidence for God existing, then you would agree that being gay is wrong. And if you do believe it's wrong, then will also believe that it is a choice you make. Well, God exists so... Lol.

Anyway Jack, I'm just messing around. From the get go I have shown you respect, regardless of your sexual preference and I don't plan on stopping.

[Well, God exists so... Lol.]

@ Jack

How did I read that wrong? You said if there were evidence for God existing, then you would agree that being gay is wrong. And if you do believe it's wrong, then will also believe that it is a choice you make. Well, God exists so... Lol.

Anyway Jack, I'm just messing around. From the get go I have shown you respect, regardless of your sexual preference and I don't plan on stopping.

'sall the evidence i need!

 

He's omnipotent. He supposedly created the world in a week, yet he seems to never be able to prove that he actually exists, as if that would be hard. (well god acts in mysterious ways!!1!)

Take your argument (if you could call it that) and apply it to anything.

"Well Thor exists so.... lol"
"Well Xenu and Thetans exist so... lol"
"Well Zeus exists so... lol"

Yet when it applies to the God of the bible, it somehow gains credibility. Makes sense to me!

I said I would agree being gay was wrong, not that I would change, or that I could.

I just said that to avoid another 10 pages of "WHERES PROOF?!?!" Look at any other thread in this section and you will get your 10 page fill.

[you keep trying to say that all Christians and their beliefs and churches are all evil right?]

You seriously don't get it? What you continually choose to misunderstand, is a concept so simple.. Haha I suppose I should just give up on you. But anyway, dude you keep trying to say that all Christians and their beliefs and churches are all evil right?

FOR THE LAST TIME, NO! Jesus Christ, you've said this over and over, and when I asked you to find a quote and you told me you would, you came up with something that has little do with the point you're trying to make. I have never said all Christians are evil, nor are their beliefs. I don't believe that, so why would I say it? If you could now stop it would be appreciated because I'm getting tired of correcting your lies.

The very clear point that I am trying to make is that you are using examples of hitler's reign, to prove that all religion is evil. Well I hate to upset you but just because Hitler killed Jews, does not make the Assemblies of god evil.

READ THE QUOTE! I was not trying to prove all religion is evil, in fact, I didn't even use the word evil so I don't know how you came to such a conclusion. Maybe I need to explain the quote to you, or maybe you know full well that you're making stuff up. In the quote I merely listed things we could have saved ourselves from if we didn't have religion........ how do you turn this into me saying every Christian and their beliefs are evil? I didn't say that because of Hitler's reign all religion is evil, either. All I said was that WITHOUT religion, it wouldn't have happened.

I know you understand what I'm saying, but you keep going because:
The problem here is you understanding me, not the other way round.

Alex VS. Ammon thread. Nice.

Alex VS. Ammon thread. Nice.

gay people are causing trouble. haha...nahh.joking,no offence jack,

Nothing in this thread offended me, even Dalton 
But if it sounded like I was angry or that I didn't respect you Ammon, that wasn't what I was intending to mean

Gays sux.

Ammon, Alex is an idiot. Just leave him be.

Jesus Christ

BUT HE DOESN'T EXIST!!!

I never said that God doesn't exist.

I did say that unless you have repeatable empirical evidence for the existence of god, with variables removed, under laboratory conditions, I have no logical reason to believe in him.

That is the standard of science, and the only proven way to find the truth. I care whether my beliefs are true or not. If my beliefs were/are not founded on reason, then I would discard them.

I never said that God doesn't exist.

I did say that unless you have repeatable empirical evidence for the existence of god, with variables removed, under laboratory conditions, I have no logical reason to believe in him.

That is the standard of science, and the only proven way to find the truth. I care whether my beliefs are true or not. If my beliefs were/are not founded on reason, then I would discard them.

What is your reason for being gay? I want repeatable empirical evidence for the existence of dick in your ass.